![]() The people doing this as best as is possible limits their associations to the relatively simple as I stated above. I understand that their purpose of these associations are not academical, but the validity of these associations outside of their religious practice is non-existant.īut evidence has been gathered and meanings have been associated as best as is possible The folks going off on these associations are not going at it academically, and their associations get pretty far fetched. The meanings we understand today are at very least related to the original intent? Each poem provides a few lines somewhat relating to the name of each rune, and these lines vary a lot from poem to poem. The various rune poems are all found in medieval (10th to 15th century) manuscripts, and they list alphabets descended from Elder Futhark. If they're based on poems used from the time just like with every single other dead language in the world.Īnd what does neo-paganism have to do with this? Everybody who studies ancient languages and associates contextual meaning to the script that is evidentially relevant must be a pagan merely attempting to build some sort of woo-woo whatever for no reason at all? No, it may not be spot on with the original meanings, but evidence has been gathered and meanings have been associated as best as is possible. does it not follow that the meanings we understand today are at very least related to the original intent? Are you claiming contextual evidence is invalid?Ĭalling it "new age BS" is a baseless dismissal. If they're based on poems used from the time and we can read the poems and understand them. I'm coming at this from a linguistic, archetypal culture usage perspective with very limited knowledge about elder futhark leftovers. I haven't read any of them, so I don't know. I don't disagree at all that single letters, runes in this instance, could hold symbolic significance, but their supposed meanings found online are the product of associations made by Neo-Pagans based on various runic poems. It's not just any word or concept, it's always either the name of the rune itself or abbreviated charms, not some secondary or tertiary tangentially related concept. Yes, but your use of "some" seems intentionally nebulous. In some Elder Futhark inscriptions, the runes actually did directly symbolize a specific word or concept and we have evidence of that? Haþuwulfar placed three staves wealth wealth wealth / circulation of power circulation of power circulation of power / beginner's mind beginner's mind beginner's mind. Let's stick to fehu and check out an inscription like the now lost Gummarp stone: Here's some more for fehu "Beginner’s Mind, presence, freedom, first impressions, young love". Sure, they are related concepts, but when does the circle of association end? It's even one of the more sane associations. There are probably lots of single-letter artifacts which say nothing semantically and yet hold symbolic significance.Įven if the meanings are not properly associated (say, URUZ should actually represent boat instead of cow or whatever), the usage of these symbols as such is not "new age bs." It is consistent with the traditions of many of the world's cultures and languages. It's a common practice for modern Hebrew and for many ancient languages. ![]() I don't know enough about Norse history to say that they used their runes like sigils, but I'd say it's extremely likely. This association evolved as the language did, but it never disappeared entirely. ![]() The thing from which it was taken usually came to have some association with the letter. The symbols of the Hebrew alphabet were originally derived, like the Futharks, from simplistic images of real world counter parts or related concepts. Hebrew is the most prominent example of this. Rules are subject to change at the mod team's discretion.įor an alternate perspective to dismissal as "New Age BS", it's actually pretty common for individual letters of the world's languages to have specific symbolic meanings. Sidebar last updated on August 22nd, 2023. The modern day Nordic countries and other locations pertinent to the Viking age. General history, religion, linguistics and culture. Verið velkomin! - Related subreddits - Directly related subreddits. Let us know if our spam filter has caught your submission! Directly messaging individual moderators may result in a ban. ![]() r/Norse is a subreddit for academic discussion of Norse and Viking history, mythology, language, art and culture.ĭo NOT private message or use reddit chat to contact moderators about moderator actions. ![]()
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